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If you ever find yourself invoking some variation of the Omphalos Hypothesis when explaining your faith, especially if you're trying to convince someone yours is the "one true way," you really need, and I can't stress this enough, to rethink your position.

In doing so you are for all intents and purposes claiming that the universe is lying to you. By extension if you're claiming your god created the universe so that all the physical processes and evidences the sciences have uncovered, and anything that will be discovered in the future are probably entirely false then you are in essence calling your god a liar.

Do you really want to do that?

Well?

We evolved from earlier lifeforms. Get over it, already!

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Date: 2008-11-24 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sdaemon.livejournal.com
I find science and the existence of god to be mutually complementary. There are things that science cannot yet explain. In all likelihood, science will always have unknowns where leaps of faith are required. And who are we to say that god must exist or not exist? If there is a divine power, he can probably manage both.

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Date: 2008-11-24 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybermystic.livejournal.com
How exactly is this relevant to my post? The existence or non-existence of any deity is an entirely different topic.

My beef here is with religionists who use an Omphalos Hypothesis variant to claim that the god they claim to worship created the whole universe about 6000 years ago, in a fashion consistent with an extremely narrow and literal reading of Genesis, but made it so that it appears to be billions of years old and made Earth with a full fossil record supporting the Theory of Evolution; apparently to trick us.

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Date: 2008-11-24 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
tangentially relevant :) see, thought train goes something like...

science currently working on simulating/explaining events right after the big bang

string theory offers eplanations for these events

string theory itself is largely untestable, making it less "science" and more "math" with a good dose of "faith"

thus...science cannot explain how things began :) Some measure of faith still required.
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